MOLLY GAUDRY: Hi Kyle. Thanks for agreeing to this interview. When I first contacted you about it, I thought we would discuss your first book, The Slide, and leave it at that. Instead, over time, the interview evolved into a sort of multi-layered discussion. Likewise, most interviews include an introduction of some sort, but because we cover so much I thought we should just jump right in.
KYLE BEACHY: I'm happy to talk with you, Molly. You're interesting and friendly.
MG: Well, thank you. I feel the same about you, obviously, and am grateful for your time and willingness to take part in this Writers Respond interview.
1.
Divorce, Sadness, and Autobiography
MG: I'd like to begin by asking you about the parents' divorce in The Slide. It seems to me that their split is one of the final sadnesses in your novel. I know this book is sort of loosely autobiographical, but I'm interested in the fictional element of creating this character, Potter Mays, having him return home after graduating from college, and then having him witness (among other perhaps less-personal tragedies) the end of his parents' marriage. I wonder, how does their divorce work on a larger, more symbolic level for the novel as a whole? Or does it?
KB: I always thought of the divorce as one of several rifts. I see the book sort of like a network of arrows of forces and different colors that all operate at the same time. Like that Faulkner line, what he calls trying to move your arms and legs with strings when the same strings are hitched to everyone else's arms and legs. But I see rifts over strings and I wanted big rifts and little rifts, and I also wanted collisions, forces working in opposition and concurrence. I would hope the divorce connects somehow to the other sadnesses.
MG: Why sadness?
KB: It's not too removed from that great notion of I am trying to break your heart -- here we all are, post-millenial and cool, yes yes we're terminally evolved and disaffected and far too enlightened to be touched, sentimentality has been written off, we all sigh in unison and say, of course. But if you can succeed at sadness you've at least reached into the reader somehow and twisted something or other. It's not the only way, but it was the way I thought to try. Now I can try something else.
MG: And what can you share with us about the autobiographical elements in The Slide? From other interviews I've read, I gather you're pretty open to the novel being read as loosely autobiographical.
KB: I'm open to the book being read however people choose to read it. There is overlap between Potter's life and my life at age twenty-two, but it stops the moment the book becomes interesting. Writing this was a process moving further and further away from what I had experienced, and as this happened the writing became easier. But yes I drove a water delivery van briefly, yes. I have had troubles with love and jealousy and betrayal, yes. I have found myself unable to decide what's right and wrong given the circumstances, definitely. And I do truly love the St. Louis Cardinals.
2.
Character, Mystery, and Fucked-Up Gifts
MG: Who is your favorite character in The Slide and why?
KB: Audrey, absolutely. I spent so much time with everyone else. She is still a ghost.
MG: Oh, that's a good answer. She's something of a mystery to me, too, and probably to other readers as well. One reason for this might be that she enters the novel mysteriously, by sending Potter a starfish with two broken legs. Why, in your mind, does she send Potter the starfish? And is there any particular reason it winds up where it does?
KB: It's a confusing gift. Maybe she wants to confuse him. Probably she sends it for a lot of different reasons, and definitely not for other reasons. I would guess it's a complicated mixture she doesn't totally understand. Vengeance and cowardice, at least. Justice. And I'm not totally sure where it does end up. Have you ever sent fucked up gifts to someone you're not sure if you love?
MG: I don't think I've ever sent anyone a fucked-up gift. I don't think I've ever been unsure about those I've loved. It's backfired, certainly, but anyway. So I think the next question is: What fucked-up gifts have you sent in the past?
KB: No bad gifts since elementary school, which was a dog bone I handed to a pretty girl to make a point and look funny in front of other kids. It was mean and fucked-up. Generally I try to give good gifts.
MG: That is so mean! I did something terrible like that, too, but to a friend who, for some reason, I arbitrarily decided I didn't need or want as a friend anymore. I was a piece of shit back in my junior high days, definitely. Mostly because I was unhappy and tired all the time. The last gift I gave someone that really went over well was maybe two or three years back: a steamroller. That went over better than I'd expected. I have no idea how or where that person is now. Alas. And you? The last good gift you gave someone?
KB: I gave my nephew this super rad bulldozer toy with working parts everywhere, rubber plastic metal and big and strong and sharp and pointy and probably unsafe. I really enjoying giving books to my mother because it's so easy. The big secret is this: my mother will like almost any book I choose simply by virtue of me thinking she will like it. It is almost like throwing a ball and trying to hit the ground.
3.
Character, the Seven-Year Novel, and Popularity
MG: Hands down, my favorite character is Ian. Would you mind telling us about the genesis of his role in this novel?
KB: The book originally included a number of these divergent vignettes that started with Potter's water deliveries. He'd deliver somewhere and the narrative would flop over to this other character from the delivery, then it would catch back up to Potter. I liked Ian and started making his story bigger. I wanted a kid who wasn't precocious, and I wanted certain reflections of Potter's life, certain concavities in the mirror. There's a line in there about a dog staring at a horse. Like that.
MG: Here it is (as if by magic): "I felt like a dog might feel, staring at a horse. We were the same shape, roughly, but the difference in scale and skills were immense." It is lovely. It is moments, lines, like these that make The Slide such a touching novel. Well done. So I think I read somewhere that it took seven years for you to complete this novel. If the original format was a series of vignettes, then I'm curious to know if there were other formats and how you ended up with the traditionally narrated sort of novel that you did.
KB: It was like shaking one of those archeology screens, how they dump dirt onto it and shake and the fossil or gold nugget is either there or it's not there. I just had to shake for a long long time because the dirt I put onto the screen didn't know what the hell it was doing. Did you watch Voyage of the Mimi at any point in school? It was about discovering things and I think also about whales. As for the traditional narrative, I wanted propulsion, things moving quickly and cohesively. Plus I don't fall into this camp that treats this word traditional as derogatory.
MG: What is Voyage of the Mimi? Oh god, I feel unpopular again. Like, is this something I was supposed to have been watching? Is this what all the cool kids were watching? Were you a cool kid? And popularity--overrated or a necessary thing?
KB: It's what seventh graders watched in Social Studies class, a PBS mini-series starring a tiny Ben Affleck. I am 95% sure that I was cool. I played sports and felt up girls and rode a skateboard and smoked cigarettes at the mall. I think of popularity as an artificial value system, like Beanie Babies. I'm also curious of longer-view popularity narratives, like e.g. people today who were nerds growing up and now find themselves at the center of attention because they're talented, because adult nerds are talented and valuable and smart, but when they're popular suddenly they turn into vengeful smug assholes. It's like Fortune's wheel. Here's an unglamorous thing I believe wholeheartedly: people should just be nice. Forget who is writing what and who is reading where and with whom and why aren't I reading, why isn't this my show, and just be a friendly motherfucker. It's so much easier. Make pleasantness the only factor for popularity and I'll get on board.
4.
Blogs, Websites, and the Internet
MG: You have a blog. Will you tell us about why you began blogging? And will you direct us to your favorite blog post and tell us about it?
KB: I'm not good at blogging. I come and go in waves. I tried to be a baseball blogger and write something about every Cardinals game this season, then after one game I realized it was going to be hard. I retired. My favorite post is so totally obviously this one here, in which I address a beautiful photograph of a squirrel that died marvelously outside my home. I read the thing you wrote about impermanence and love and the challenges. That strikes me as a personal thing to throw out there; do you ever overstep and say too much?
MG: I didn't know you read my blog! Aw, thanks, Kyle! So yeah, that squirrel picture is crazy. What a good neighbor you have! Oh man, I don't know. I mean, the truth is I don't feel I put anything personal on my blog. It's a very tricky, very fine line. For instance, my friends and family rarely make appearances. Even so, they have on more than one occasion requested I not blog things they share in confidence . . . um, despite the fact I never have before. Still, I know what you (and they) mean: I can really emo it up sometimes. But if you notice, those are the posts that generate the most comments, and I think people connect to those posts, the things I share, and then feel compelled to respond. And this is why I began blogging in the first place: to connect with others. I also do my fair share of commenting on others' blogs. And it's true: I always respond to posts that detail someone's personal struggles. If it seems someone needs encouragement or a pat on the back, I like to provide that, if I can. What about you? Are you much of a commenter? And what, if any, blogs or websites do you visit every day?
KB: My instinct has been to go without comments on the site. My thought is: toss the thing into the void and let it live or die, then move on to the next thing. Comments complicate this arrangement, and it becomes a question of who's listening. But I like your point about connection, like a conversation. I don't often comment, and everyday blogs and websites of mine are sort of embarrassing. Certain gossip sites and Drudgereport to see how other people think. Gauge public interest, like palpating. I come to yours rather often because there's always something. There's drama there, a lot of moments leading up to what feel like important decisions. How much do you see your blog as its own narrative?
MG: I do see it as a narrative, though I've never thought about it in this way. It is, though, definitely. I mean, so far it's seen me in four different cities, through four different jobs, has been, incredibly, perhaps the only constant throughout. Weird. And yes, regarding drama, I certainly blog about sadness and confusion and angst fairly regularly. But while the sadness and confusion and angst are true and real, I feel the blogging about them, the public sharing of them, is writing, and that the language embellishes, perhaps. As a writer, though, I like having an outlet to share that kind of emotion-heavy language, which I probably couldn't get away with in fiction--probably not even in non-fiction. That those emotions are real and true is an added bonus: that others respond is the only reason I've kept it up.
5.
Teaching and the MFA
MG: Although this interview is a living document, currently, that won't resemble the final product exactly, I'll share with readers that you're in Iowa City right now (at the end of June), teaching (I think). What are you teaching and what can you share with us about the experience?
KB: I taught three classes for the Iowa Summer Writing Festival: a weekend class on a-realism or anti-realism or whatever you want to call that which isn't strictly governed by reality; then two weeklong sessions, one on first chapters and one on scene-building. The whole thing was impressive as hell. I always had this fanciful notion of Iowa City as a competitive warzone of some sort, with aspiring short story writers offing one another in back alleyways. And maybe it's a different place during the school year, but my experience was just peaceful and inspirational and nothing but great. I met outrageously interesting people. The other faculty especially because they'd all found a way to make writing into a sustainable practice and career, each unique in their task, and it's rad when people reach a point where competition is moot, everyone is doing their own thing and curious, even respectful of everyone else. And whiskey in that town flows as if downhill.
MG: I'm so jealous! I wish I could have been there. Did you meet any awesome (famous) people?
KB: I kept trying to get Nick Dybeck into a my dad's smarter than your dad argument, but he wouldn't bite. Man, I don't know, a lot of really damn talented people. It's just a hub of terribly interesting people who value stories and wordplay and imagery and technique, and moving among these people, socializing with them and sharing ideas, is a hell of a thing.
MG: How did your anti-realism class go over? What were your students like?
KB: Enthusiastic, varied, curious. I was pleased as hell with the class. Ghosts and talking frogs and mysterious doors in bedroom floors.
MG: And on the subject of Iowa, what are your thoughts on the whole MFA debate? You have one from the School of the Art Institute of Chicago, right? Why did you choose that program? Why not shoot for a fully funded program?
KB: The debate, as I understand it, seems to miss the real point of an MFA, which is basically a gift, to yourself, of two years dedicated to writing. Certainly I have opinions about the benefit of the workshop method and the risks of homogeneity, but I really think people will get out of an MFA program exactly what they put into it. It is not a magic gateway to publishing. Nor is it a complete waste of money. SAIC is non-traditional in that they don't divvy up their poets into this corner, prose writers over here. There you're first and foremost an artist, and a writer next. That's it. You're a writer -- write whatever the hell you please. At SAIC I was boring whereas at other programs I would have been the weirdo.
6.
Travel and Vacations
MG: Soon you're off to Denmark. Why Denmark? What will you do there?
KB: It's a month-long residency at Hald Hovedgaard, where I'll be one of four international authors who will work and live at this 18th century villa on a lake in the countryside, not far from the town of Viborg. There are four of us and I think eight or so Danish writers, and the point is to mingle and inspire while also staying out of one another's way, since we're all going to be solitary and productive and probably batshit crazy by the end of week one.
MG: Do you have any favorite vacation destinations? A favorite vacation memory?
KB: My mother's side is all English, from the Bristol and Bath areas. I try to make it there whenever I can. Last time I drove up through the Lake District and into Scotland, over to the Isle of Skye, the single most beautiful location I've seen. Plus the Talisker Distillery is there. I was also lucky enough to travel with my father when I was a kid, he'd drag me along to his lectures and meetings in China or Europe and elsewhere. We got conned once outside of The Vatican, just an old-fashioned gaffling, and the mutual embarrassment we felt afterward was and is a key reason we're so close.
MG: Everything you just wrote there is amazing. I was going to make a Lady of Bath joke, but then I realized what an asshole thing that would be. In any case, it all sounds so wonderful.
KB: You were going to make a Chaucer joke? Shit, man. We had two rules going into this, and one was no Chaucer jokes.
MG: Okay, a picture then, which has nothing to do with anything.
7.
Interviews and Run-Ins with Famous Authors
MG: What question have you always wanted to answer but never been asked in an interview? And the answer?
KB: I keep waiting for someone to ask about run-ins with famous authors. Like: Kyle, what famous author might have death-stared you in a particular Vermont barn because you might have been dancing with someone he wanted to get his lecherous fingers around? And I'll say I have no idea what you're talking about. Hey lemme ask you this...do you ever write with a partner? I'm thinking of writing something with a friend and I always like to survey people before I do anything at all.
MG: I have and do. I have a thing about weeping and growing in decomP, which Blythe Winslow and I co-wrote. At the end of our session, she gave it to me, washed her hands of it. Thanks, Blythe! And for some time now, Donora Hillard and I have been exchanging couplets, working our way toward a longer poem. And a friend of mine here in Philadelphia sent me the first paragraph of a romance novel that I'm to add to one of these days; our aim is to make some money, get famous under a terrible pseudonym. Wish us luck. Anyway, what are you thinking of, specifically? Sounds intriguing, definitely.
KB: I have these friends who are stupidly talented. But I've always clutched onto a hallowed notion of solitude for writing, and part of me fears losing control of where a thing goes. But certain projects would almost seem to demand teamwork, like comedy. I suppose the big fear is schizophrenia or some lack of cohesion. What about arguments? I'm a stubborn person sometimes. Will we stop loving each other? Will our friendship fall to pieces?
MG: Oh, I wouldn't worry about that. I just had a creative Gchat exchange with a Philly / soon-to-be NY writer in which we didn't chat but collaborated on a sort of poem-type thing. He can do whatever he wants with it, and I'm going to take select lines and fashion some sort of story, perhaps. Maybe when it comes to collaboration the best thing is to remember it's a collaboration, with no pressure on the final product? I don't know.
KB: This guy is a genius, who I'm going to work with. So mainly I'm just excited to see what comes of it.
MG: Oh yeah, hey, why aren't you allowed to answer questions on Franzen?
KB: I appreciate what you're doing here. I really do.
8.
Second Book Struggles and Online v. Print
MG: You and I are sort of in the same boat right now: we both have first books available for purchase. The differences, though, are huge. First, you got a five-figure advance for yours; and second, you have an agent who sold yours to Dial Press, an imprint of Random House. The question is why? Why the big house and not a small press?
KB: While I was writing the goal was to get my book into the hands of readers. And like any hungry young person, I wanted to be paid for my work. My plan was to exhaust all the chances for big houses and when that didn't pan out, work my way through the independents. So it wasn't an issue of choice as much as opportunity, for me. And Dial is wonderful because it's a small, dedicated imprint beneath the great sprawling Random House umbrella. And I'm honored to be associated with the other Dial authors. Nor is this any kind of knock on the indie presses, which I support fully and am grateful to for all the authors I get to read who don't, for whatever reason, fit into the plans of the big houses. Brian Evenson and Amelia Gray...but I didn't write the same sort of book they wrote.
MG: That's a good point: that yours isn't like theirs. I think that says it all. So how about this: is there a second book in the works? If so, how's it coming?
KB: It's coming slowly, but yes. I painted myself into a lot of corners with this first one, and I worked a lot to undo things I'd worked a lot to do in the first place. So I'm planning more now, drawing graphs and charts. It's about fun, the new book. And bones. And safety.
MG: Since The Slide came out, you've been publishing short pieces in some of the online journals. Hobart and decomP, to name two. What other journals do you like and what are your thoughts on online journals versus print journals?
KB: When a thing appears online it is there, for better or for worse, for all to see, always. Barring some meltdown, you'll always have that address to refer readers to. Print journals appear in relatively small numbers in a relative few stores and are consumed by a small group of very avid readers. I want my work to be available -- that's sort of the bottom line.
9.
The Million Dollar Questions
MG: Do you ever think "Fuck it all" and wonder why you're not doing something else with your life? If you weren't a writer, what would you be?
KB: I don't really think writing precludes being other things. I teach college students, currently. Maybe someday I'll learn to fix a muffler. I'd like to be more of a gypsy.
MG: Someday I'd like to learn to change my oil. $40 seems like a lot; the bastards. Okay, so what's your biggest pet-peeve?
KB: Assholery by default. A close second is assholery by entitlement.
MG: Hardback or paperback?
KB: Paper, rolled into back pocket, underlined and marked to hell and back.
MG: I like books so old you can't dog-ear them because the corner breaks off. Blondes or brunettes?
KB: Brunettes. With brown eyes.
MG: Coffee or tea?
KB: Coffee all day long.
MG: Backpack or fanny pack?
KB: Really backing my friend Dave's purse, which he swears is a camera bag converted into what he calls a "smoking carrier". For his tobacco tin and things. But it's so totally a purse.
MG: Ha! Cats or dogs?
KB: Dogs, especially mine, the most beautiful dog alive, Lolita the mutt.
MG: Why Lolita?
KB: You'd have to meet her.
MG: East coast or west coast?
KB: Mid. West. Holler.
MG: Cupcakes or muffins?
KB: I swear I still don't fully know the difference. It's like the difference between seeds and nuts.
KB: So what if I put icing onto a muffin? What's the score then?
MG: I'm not sure icing on a muffin would work. They're totally different things! Getting tired of these yet?
KB: I love these.
MG: Okay, your turn.
KB: Brooklyn or Brooklyn?
MG: Um, I don't know. Brooklyn, maybe.
KB: Alright. Chicago or Philly?
MG: Philly's not so bad, but find me a job and somewhere to live in Chicago and I'm there. (Do it fast: I'm about to sign a year lease and submit syllabi to my dept. head for approval.) Chicago's lit scene, whew. Just thinking about it . . .
KB: Chicago is full of unused condos -- they saturated the market during the bubble. You could squat! Shane Jones or Blake Butler? You must pick one.
MG: I'm not much of a squatter. And Shane. Such a nice boy.
KB: Single or married?
MG: Shane? He's getting married this summer.
KB: Harry Nilsson or Jim Croce? There is no wrong answer.
MG: This one was tough. I had to sleep on it, but in the end: Nilsson.
KB: Kindle or pee in your eye?
MG: Kyle Beachy, folks. For more, visit him here.